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Daniel Chapter 11, Part 7

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 7

Verse 40And at the [fixed or appointed] time of the end shall the king of the south [Egypt] push at him: and the king of the north [England] shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen [the Egyptian Mamelukes, etc.], and with many ships [the English forces consisted of a navy under Admiral Nelson]; and he [Napoleon] shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over [victoriously].”

“The “king of the south” was Egypt. The “king of the north” can be interpreted two ways: as either England under Lord Nelson with his ships or as Napoleon himself, who also had many ships. In other words, when Napoleon went to Egypt, he took his army with him and that required a great armada. While he was busy fighting Egypt, his ships were in the harbor unprotected.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

“History informs us that the Egyptian army under Murat Bey “after a most determined struggle was repulsed; the success of the French struck terror far into Asia and Africa; and the surrounding tribes submitted to the conqueror… But fortune was preparing for him a terrible reverse. His fleet, consisting of thirteen ships of the line [war vessels], besides frigates, was found in Aboukir Bay by Nelson, the English admiral, who had long been in pursuit, and was attacked on the evening of Aug. 1, 1798, with a degree of vigor and activity [“like a whirlwind“] which was never surpassed in naval warfare.” (C 45)

“As a result, Napoleon found himself and his troops landlocked and in a dilemma. After he won the Battle of the Pyramids and got booty, he left a capable general in charge (General Kleber) and then proceeded along the coast, but inland a little, to Gaza and on up to Mount Tabor in northern Israel.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

Thus once again Daniels people find themselves caught between the warring kings of the North and the South.

Now let us recall what the Pastor previously said about Verses 29 and 30:

“We regard Verses 29 and 30 as a parenthesis, thrown in to conceal the meaning for a time by breaking the order of the narrative, and believe it to apply to a then far future collision between the representatives of the Roman Empire and Egypt. No further conflict between these would occur except one, and it would be just at “the time appointedthe time of the end, 1799.” (C 35)

The Pastor connected Verses 29 and 30 with the Napoleonic invasion of Egypt.

Verse 29 “At the (prefixed) time appointed he (the King of the North) shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.”

“Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt did not result either like that in the days of Cleopatra, or like that in the days of her descendant, Queen Zenobia. Napoleon, though successful as a general in Egypt, achieved no such victories as his predecessors; and the reason is described in the next verse.” (C 47)

Verse 30 “For the ships of Chittim [“of the Romans” Douay Version] shall come against him (The English navy harassed Napoleon and hindered his conquest. Since England as well as France had been a part of the old Roman Empire, and since France was at war with the remainder of that empire, endeavoring to conquer it, we see the propriety of these being called Roman ships): therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.”

These two verses, referring to Napoleon in Egypt, were a roadblock to the understanding of Daniel 11. The ships of Chittim refer to Lord Nelson’s going down to Egypt with his armada and destroying all of Napoleon’s vessels. “Chittim” (Hebrew Kittim Strong’s #3794  a general term for all islanders of the Mediterranean Sea; See marginal reading; western lands especially Cyprus) Chittim refers to England, which was a part of the old Roman Empire at that time.

The purpose of this whole chapter is to fix the point of the beginning of the time period known as the Time of the End. In Marcus Aurelius’s day, the Time of the End was aborted. Hence Verses 29 and 30 were inserted as an afterthought, for Marcus Aurelius also went to Egypt and returned. The Pastor reasoned that Verses 29 and 30 were a parenthetical thought, like a side remark, that the king of the north (Napoleon) would be back again.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

Verses 41- 43: “He shall enter also into the glorious land [Palestine], and many shall fall: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and the principality of the children of Ammon. [Napoleon kept to the coast, and did not enter but passed by these lands.] He shall stretch forth his hand upon the countries, and Egypt shall not escape. And he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians will follow at his steps.”

Verses 44 and 45: “And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace [his palatial tents] between the [two] seas [the Mediterranean and the Sea of Galilee], in the glorious holy mountain [Mount Tabor].” This statement might refer to either of two mountains–Mt. Tabor or Mt. Sinai–both of which might be called glorious and holy. On Mt. Tabor, glorious and holy as the place of our Lord’s transfiguration, and called by Peter “the holy mount,” Napoleon’s tents were pitched, one of his most important battles being fought there. Mt. Sinai, holy and glorious as being the place where the Law Covenant between God and Israel was ratified, was visited by Napoleon and his “scientific corps” and select guard.

But tidings [or rumors] out of the East and out of the North [France] shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many [nations]. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.”

While in Egypt tidings of fresh alliance against France reached Napoleon, and he at once set out for France. With reference to this history says, “Intelligence from Europe now induced him to abandon Egypt; and, leaving his army under Kleber, he returned to France with secrecy and dispatch. …A reverse of fortune had taken place in French affairs; a second coalition had formed against France, composed of England, Russia, Naples, the Ottoman Porte and Austria.” Compare these words of history with those of prophecy: “But tidings out of the East and out of the North shall trouble him; therefore shall he go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many [nations].” Napoleon’s great fury, and his attempted destruction of all the nations of Europe, are too well known to require repetition here. He almost succeeded in his ambitious designs; yet, as predicted by the Prophet, in a few years this most notable man of his day died an exile, forsaken by all.”(C 45, 46)

“Eventually he conducted a campaign to Russia, conquering all others as he went along. However, with the severity of the winter in Russia, he lost almost his entire army and barely escaped back to France with his life…The account about Napoleon is not always sequential. It tells of various things he did and even repeats. Enough information however is presented to pin down Napoleon as the character being described… After losing the Battle of Waterloo, Napoleon died in exile on an island in the Mediterranean. It is felt that he was poisoned.

What part of Daniel 11 specifically points to the date 1799?

Verse 40 pinpoints Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt as marking the date 1799, the beginning of the Time of the End. And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him [Napoleon]: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind.”

Daniel 11 started with Alexander the Great as the head of the horn, or empire that was broken and divided into four; that is, the empire had four divisions with a different general over each part. Then the account jumped down to Mark Anthony and Cleopatra. Next the account pointed out Augustus Caesar, the raiser of international taxes to keep Rome on a stable basis. He died a natural death in contradistinction to those who both preceded and followed him, their deaths being caused by poison, slaying, or violence. Then the account skipped to Marcus Aurelius and Zenobia. Next two kings (civil and ecclesiastical Rome) were shown conniving at a table with ulterior motives. After that came Napoleon.

By grasping the date 1799, we are helped in understanding the next chapter, Daniel 12, with its time periods (the 1260, 1290, and 1335 days of Daniel), likewise we are aided in understanding God’s thinking and method. Just as with Chapter 11 one event did not immediately follow another, so Michael did not stand up immediately at the beginning of the period designated as thetime of the end” following the French Revolution, but this would come later in this period, nevertheless still considered at (or during) the time of the end.

Verse 12:1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”

At that time” is the time of Jacob’s Trouble, which will occur at the end of the period known as the Time of the End, (At the end of the Great Time of Trouble, just prior to the pouring out of the Seventh and final plague, Armageddon).

At that time, Michael will “stand up” “for the children of thy people” to stop Jacob’s Trouble and to deliver the Holy Remnant. Chapter 12 is in fact a continuation of the prophecy that began in the tenth chapter.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146-148)

The Pastor never claiming to be a prophet under any type of divine inspiration or etc. at one time (back in 1890) had imagined that the “time of the endwould end in 1914 (C 59), likewise he had assumed that the harvest would have ended at this time as it was his thought that this same date (1914) would bring about the great time of trouble, Armageddon (thus logically “Jacob’s Troubles”), and that the “Times of the Gentiles” having expired by that time this present order would give way to the new order, this of course as he stated in the 1916 foreword of that same Volume, “was merely a supposition, which proved without warrant”, that is to say if the harvest continued beyond 1914 then obviously 1914 was not the date of Armageddon, but rather (as he later wrote) merely the beginning of the great time of trouble, which, eventually, as birth pangs upon a woman in labor would accumulate or reach the time of “Jacob’s Troubles” ending the period designated as the “time of the end” with Armageddon, which shall bring about the destruction of the present order.

 The “Times of the Gentiles” did indeed end in 1914 as in accordance with the true bible chronology, however the other events mentioned would have to await a future fulfillment.

Thus we concluded our perspective as to the “time of the end” when Michael shall stand up.

 

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 6

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 6

What part of Daniel 11 specifically points to the date 1799?

Verse 40 pinpoints Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt as marking the date 1799, the beginning of the Time of the End. “And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him [Napoleon]: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind.

Daniel 11 started with Alexander the Great as the head of the horn, or empire that was broken and divided into four; that is, the empire had four divisions with a different general over each part. Then the account jumped down to Mark Anthony and Cleopatra. Next the account pointed out Augustus Caesar, the raiser of international taxes to keep Rome on a stable basis. He died a natural death in contradistinction to those who both preceded and followed him, their deaths being caused by poison, slaying, or violence. Then the account skipped to Marcus Aurelius and Zenobia. Next two kings (civil and ecclesiastical Rome) were shown conniving at a table with ulterior motives. After that came Napoleon.

By grasping the date 1799, we are helped in understanding the next chapter, Daniel 12, with its time periods (the 1260, 1290, and 1335 days of Daniel), likewise we are aided in understanding God’s thinking and method. Just as with Chapter 11 one event did not immediately follow another, so Michael did not stand up immediately at the beginning of the period designated as thetime of the endfollowing the French Revolution, but this would come later in this period, nevertheless still considered at (or during) the time of the end.

Verse 12:1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”

At that timeis the time of Jacob’s Trouble, which will occur at the end of the period known as the Time of the End, (At the end of the Great Time of Trouble, just prior to the pouring out of the Seventh and final plague, Armageddon).

At that time, Michael will “stand up” “for the children of thy people” to stop Jacob’s Trouble and to deliver the Holy Remnant. Chapter 12 is in fact a continuation of the prophecy that began in the tenth chapter.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146-148)

The Pastor never claiming to be a prophet under any type of divine inspiration or etc. at one time (back in 1890) had imagined that the “time of the endwould end in 1914 (C 59), likewise he had assumed that the harvest would have ended at this time as it was his thought that this same date (1914) would bring about the great time of trouble, Armageddon (thus logically “Jacob’s Troubles”), and that the “Times of the Gentiles” having expired by that time this present order would give way to the new order, this of course as he stated in the 1916 foreword of that same Volume, “was merely a supposition, which proved without warrant”, that is to say if the harvest continued beyond 1914 then obviously 1914 was not the date of Armageddon, but rather (as he later wrote) merely the beginning of the great time of trouble, which, eventually, as birth pangs upon a woman in labor would accumulate or reach the time of “Jacob’s Troubles” ending the period designated as the “time of the end” with Armageddon, which shall bring about the destruction of the present order.

The “Times of the Gentiles” did indeed end in 1914 as in accordance with the true bible chronology, however the other events mentioned would have to await a future fulfillment.

Thus we concluded our perspective as to the “time of the end” when Michael shall stand up.

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 5

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 5

Verse 36Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

Napoleon was not a king, but the term king is a general one to indicate a powerful ruler. He did, perhaps, as nearly “according to his will” as any man that ever lived; he was noted for his willfulness and determination, which conquered almost insurmountable difficulties. To get the proper meaning of the above verse, it must be remembered that the word “god” signifies a mighty one; and that it is frequently used in Scripture in referring to kings and rulers, as in this verse: “god of gods.” Here the word “gods” refers to rulers, kings and princes, and the expression, “god of gods,” or ruler of rulers, refers to the pope.

Most men have acknowledged some religious superior, but Napoleon acknowledged none. He had a will of his own, and a plan of his own, which was to exalt himself above every other ruler. Even the “god of gods” (i.e., the ruler of rulers–the pope) he addressed in a marvelous way; commanding his obedience as his servant, in a manner which shocked the superstitions of the world at that day, and the dignity of the papal hierarchy as well. And, as here declared, he prospered until he had accomplished his mission of scourging Papacy (“till the wrath has been accomplished”), and breaking its influence over the minds of the people.” (C 40, 41)

“We have been led by the hand in Scripture from the birth of the baby, the man-child, in (A.D. 314, See the Twelfth Chapter of Revelation, Part 9). The baby grew up so that in 539 it was the man of sin. In 800 under Charlemagne, the man of sin (Papacy) had the supremacy over civil power. In 1517 the Protestant Reformation occurred in Germany. Meanwhile, the Reformation was taking place in England under Tyndale. Then the year 1799 marked the defeat of Papacy by Napoleon (temporal dominion was taken away) and the beginning of the Time of the End.”

In describing Papacy, 2 Thess 2:4 says, “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God [a god] sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God [a god].” This text helps to show that the term “God of gods” in Daniel 11:36 refers to Papacy.

Roman Catholics are very happy today with the explanation of Antiochus Epiphanes as the abomination of desolation in the BC era. On the other hand, Evangelicals look for a future literal man of sin. Thus neither group properly identifies the man of sin.”

Verse 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.”

A number of verses are devoted to both Napoleon and Marcus Aurelius in order to nail down a secure point on the pages of history. Here we continue with Napoleon. “Neither shall he [Napoleon] regard the God [Papacy] of his father’s [past emperors].” “Nor [did he] regard any god [except himself]: for he shall magnify himself above all.”

Neither shall he regard… the desire of women.” Although Napoleon had a child, he was not influenced by that child. Spiritually speaking, the “women” would be Protestantism. Thus he had no regard for either Roman Catholicism (the mother) or Protestantism (the daughters).

Verses 38 and 39But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: and a god whom his father’s knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.”

But in his place [instead of any of these gods] he shall honor the God of [military] forces.” The army, of which he was the intellectual leader, was his “god.” Napoleon was instrumental in both wounding and restoring Papacy. The wound was so deep that eventually, in 1870, Papacy lost all temporal power. In 1798 he struck a death blow against the pope, undercutting the authority and reverence for Papacy. On one occasion, instead of swearing by the God of heaven, by Papacy, or by France, he said, “I swear by myself.” Thus Napoleon recognized the god of forces, his army, under his control; that is, he recognized himself. Napoleon was a genius and a brilliant tactician—in fact, he was very learned on many, many subjects. Incidentally, Napoleon was the one who first made the statement “An army travels on its stomach.”

A god whom his father’s knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.” Napoleon’s strategy was to reward his generals with benefices. (Similarly the pope used to give out domains as simony.) Napoleon set his generals over various provinces. In their positions of power, they absorbed or appropriated the revenues that were available under their charge or jurisdiction. The quantity of Napoleon’s own captured loot was tremendous. He distributed the provinces in lieu of a fixed salary. Thus did he “divide the land for gain” (Verse 39). The Book of Daniel, Page 145

“Having thus furnished grounds for establishing the identity of this character (Napoleon), whose deeds mark the beginning of the “Time of the End,” the prophecy proceeds to show which particular event of that time is to be understood as definitely marking the exact date of the beginning of the “Time of the End.”

This event is shown to be Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt, which covered a period of a year and nearly five months. He sailed May, 1798 and, returning, landed in France Oct. 9, 1799. This campaign is graphically described in a few words in Verses 40-44.” (C 44)

Verse 40And at the [fixed or appointed] time of the end shall the king of the south [Egypt] push at him: and the king of the north [England] shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen [the Egyptian Mamelukes, etc.], and with many ships [the English forces consisted of a navy under Admiral Nelson]; and he [Napoleon] shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over [victoriously].”

“The “king of the south” was Egypt. The “king of the north” can be interpreted two ways: as either England under Lord Nelson with his ships or as Napoleon himself, who also had many ships. In other words, when Napoleon went to Egypt, he took his army with him and that required a great armada. While he was busy fighting Egypt, his ships were in the harbor unprotected.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

“History informs us that the Egyptian army under Murat Bey “after a most determined struggle was repulsed; the success of the French struck terror far into Asia and Africa; and the surrounding tribes submitted to the conqueror… But fortune was preparing for him a terrible reverse. His fleet, consisting of thirteen ships of the line [war vessels], besides frigates, was found in Aboukir Bay by Nelson, the English admiral, who had long been in pursuit, and was attacked on the evening of Aug. 1, 1798, with a degree of vigor and activity [“like a whirlwind“] which was never surpassed in naval warfare.” (C 45)

“As a result, Napoleon found himself and his troops landlocked and in a dilemma. After he won the Battle of the Pyramids and got booty, he left a capable general in charge (General Kleber) and then proceeded along the coast, but inland a little, to Gaza and on up to Mount Tabor in northern Israel.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

Thus once again Daniels people find themselves caught between the warring kings of the North and the South.

Now let us recall what the Pastor previously said about Verses 29 and 30:

“We regard Verses 29 and 30 as a parenthesis, thrown in to conceal the meaning for a time by breaking the order of the narrative, and believe it to apply to a then far future collision between the representatives of the Roman Empire and Egypt. No further conflict between these would occur except one, and it would be just at “the time appointedthe time of the end, 1799.” (C 35)

The Pastor connected Verses 29 and 30 with the Napoleonic invasion of Egypt.

Verse 29At the (prefixed) time appointed he (the King of the North) shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

“Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt did not result either like that in the days of Cleopatra, or like that in the days of her descendant, Queen Zenobia. Napoleon, though successful as a general in Egypt, achieved no such victories as his predecessors; and the reason is described in the next verse.” (C 47)

Verse 30For the ships of Chittim [“of the Romans” Douay Version] shall come against him (The English navy harassed Napoleon and hindered his conquest. Since England as well as France had been a part of the old Roman Empire, and since France was at war with the remainder of that empire, endeavoring to conquer it, we see the propriety of these being called Roman ships): therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

These two verses, referring to Napoleon in Egypt, were a roadblock to the understanding of Daniel 11. The ships of Chittim refer to Lord Nelson’s going down to Egypt with his armada and destroying all of Napoleon’s vessels. “Chittim” (Hebrew Kittim Strong’s # 3794 a general term for all islanders of the Mediterranean Sea; See marginal reading; western lands especially Cyprus) Chittim refers to England, which was a part of the old Roman Empire at that time.

The purpose of this whole chapter is to fix the point of the beginning of the time period known as the Time of the End. In Marcus Aurelius’s day, the Time of the End was aborted. Hence verses 29 and 30 were inserted as an afterthought, for Marcus Aurelius also went to Egypt and returned. The Pastor reasoned that Verses 29 and 30 were a parenthetical thought, like a side remark, that the king of the north (Napoleon) would be back again.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 146)

Verses 41- 43: “He shall enter also into the glorious land [Palestine], and many shall fall: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and the principality of the children of Ammon. [Napoleon kept to the coast, and did not enter but passed by these lands.] He shall stretch forth his hand upon the countries, and Egypt shall not escape. And he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians will follow at his steps.”

Verses 44 and 45: “And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace [his palatial tents] between the [two] seas [the Mediterranean and the Sea of Galilee], in the glorious holy mountain [Mount Tabor].” This statement might refer to either of two mountains–Mt. Tabor or Mt. Sinai–both of which might be called glorious and holy. On Mt. Tabor, glorious and holy as the place of our Lord’s transfiguration, and called by Peter “the holy mount,” Napoleon’s tents were pitched, one of his most important battles being fought there. Mt. Sinai, holy and glorious as being the place where the Law Covenant between God and Israel was ratified, was visited by Napoleon and his “scientific corps” and select guard.

But tidings [or rumors] out of the East and out of the North [France] shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many [nations]. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.”

While in Egypt tidings of fresh alliance against France reached Napoleon, and he at once set out for France. With reference to this history says, “Intelligence from Europe now induced him to abandon Egypt; and, leaving his army under Kleber, he returned to France with secrecy and dispatch. …A reverse of fortune had taken place in French affairs; a second coalition had formed against France, composed of England, Russia, Naples, the Ottoman Porte and Austria.” Compare these words of history with those of prophecy: “But tidings out of the East and out of the North shall trouble him; therefore shall he go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many [nations].” Napoleon’s great fury, and his attempted destruction of all the nations of Europe, are too well known to require repetition here. He almost succeeded in his ambitious designs; yet, as predicted by the Prophet, in a few years this most notable man of his day died an exile, forsaken by all.”(C 45, 46)

“Eventually he conducted a campaign to Russia, conquering all others as he went along. However, with the severity of the winter in Russia, he lost almost his entire army and barely escaped back to France with his life…The account about Napoleon is not always sequential. It tells of various things he did and even repeats. Enough information however is presented to pin down Napoleon as the character being described… After losing the Battle of Waterloo, Napoleon died in exile on an island in the Mediterranean. It is felt that he was poisoned.

Concluded with next post.

 

 

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 4

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 4

Verse 31Arms shall stand on his part [or, “strong ones out of him stand up“–Young’s translation], and shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the continual sacrifice, and they will set up the desolating abomination.”

“This we interpret to mean that, though neither the church nor the civil power succeeded in swallowing up the other, as at one time seemed probable, yet “strong ones” arose, who polluted the fundamental principles both of the civil government and also of true religion. The “sanctuary of strength,” the sacred precincts of civil authority, which for the time God had delivered over to the Gentiles, to the kingdoms of this world, was undermined by those in the Church who thirsted for present dominion, and who sought by every device to obtain civil power to help forward their ecclesiastical schemes; and the sanctuary of God (his sacred dwelling–the Church) was defiled and degraded by the persistent efforts of these “strong ones” to obtain power with the civil rulers, and numbers, and influence with the people. This was Papacy in embryo, scheming to set itself up in power as a sacerdotal empire.” (C 36)

They shall pollute the sanctuary of strength [the true Church], and shall take away the daily sacrifice [the continual sacrifice].”

The doctrine of the Mass or Transubstantiation nullifies Christ’s continual sacrifice. In the ceremony Christ dies every time the Mass is said. The bread is supposed to be his actual flesh and the wine his blood. There is said to be a fresh death with every Mass. Roman Catholicism teaches that Christ started the Christian Church, but through their priesthood the communicants’ condition has to be refreshed. They claim that all are sinners and thus all need absolution of sins committed daily. “They shall place there (in the sanctuary of strength) the abomination that makes desolate [the doctrine of the Mass or Transubstantiation].

“It should be noted that Matthew 24:15, 16 proves conclusively that theabomination that makes desolate” still had not been fulfilled in Jesus’ day. Since Antiochus Epiphanes lived prior to Christ, he clearly cannot be the fulfillment. “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso reads, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.” Jesus was warning his followers to look into the future for the fulfillment.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 142)

Verse 32 and 33Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.”

“Those in the Church who failed to live up to their covenant with the Lord fell an easy prey to the flatteries, honors, titles, etc., held before them by the Papal hierarchy as it began to have influence. But though many yielded to the errors, all did not; for we read, “But the people that do know their God shall be strong and deal valiantly; and they that understand among the people shall instruct many.”

Thus is shown a division of the Church into two marked classes, distinguished in Dan. 8:11-14 as the sanctuary and the host: one class, corrupted by the flattering honors of the world, violated its covenant with God, while the other class was really strengthened by the persecutions to which their loyalty to God exposed them. Among the latter class were some who understood the situation, and taught the faithful that thus it was written in the Scriptures that the Antichrist, or Man of Sin, would develop from a great falling away in the Church.” (C 37)

But the people that do know their God [the faithful or truly consecrated] shall be strong, and do exploits.Revelation 2:13 speaks of them as “Antipas,” meaning “against the fathers.” “Thou holds fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells” (Rev 2:13). The faithful minority who did “know their God” were “strong,” boldly risking their lives unto death. The Pergamos period extended from 313 A.D. to 1157 A.D.many days.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 143)

Verse 34 and 35Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.”

The full period of the persecutor’s (Papacy’s) power, 1260 years, would not end until 1799; but before its end God granted a little help through the Reformation movement, which, though at first it rather increased persecution, afterward gave some comfort and protection to those falling because of fidelity to God’s Word. The Reformation prevented the complete crushing out of the truth from the world. But, alas! With the little help came the “flatterers” again. As soon as persecution began to abate the adversary resorted to the same device, by which he had formerly succeeded in corrupting and degrading the church, to now overcome the reform movements. Kings and princes began to give honors and titles to Protestants and to unite with Protestantism; and this led to serious evil results and deflection from the covenant, as we read: “But many shall cleave to them with flatteries; and some of them of understanding [leaders, reformers, teachers, who had been able to instruct many concerning Papacy’s errors] shall fall; to try them [the faithful few] and to purge and to make them white.”

Tracing the prophecy further, we find that as the previous verses pointedly describe the leading characters prominently connected with the transfer of dominion to Greece and then to Rome, and then craftily, gradually, stealthily to Papacy as a power which grew up out of civil Rome, so also when it comes to the very important point of noting where Papal dominion was broken, it is but reasonable to expect that Napoleon Bonaparte, the leading character associated with this change, should be marked out; and that, too, not by a description of his personal appearance, but by a description of his peculiar characteristics, just as Augustus and Tiberius Caesar were indicated. Such a description we do find; and Napoleon Bonaparte’s career corresponds exactly with that description.

Verses 31-35 describe Papacy, its errors and abominations, and the Reformation and its “little help” yet partial failure through flatteries; and these verses bring us down to the “Time of the End,” and show us that, notwithstanding the little help afforded, some would fall by persecution until the Time of the End. And so it was: in all the countries subject to Papacy–Spain, France, etc.–persecution through the terrible Inquisition continued, until broken effectually by Napoleon.

Next follow the verses descriptive of Napoleon, the instrument employed by Providence to break Papacy’s power and to begin her torture, which will end in utter destruction, to be accomplished later on; as it is written, “Whom the Lord shall destroy with the bright shining of his presence.” 2 Thess 2:8 (C 38, 39)

Continued with next post.

 

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 3

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 3

The Sage states: We now come to the part of Daniel’s prophecy that Christendom for the most part applies to the second coming of Christ. However, take a look at the evidence and see if that is really the case.

“The King (of the north), will exalt –himself above every God and he will prosper until the indignation is finished; for that which is decreed will be done” Dan 11:36. The third Macedonian War, June, 168 B.C.E., brought victory to Rome, and ended the centuries old monarchy and established four republics in Macedonia. Rome now became king of the North. Enc. Brit., 1972 Ed., Vol. 18, pg. 891, par. 6. In the years 30 to 9 B.C.E. Rome extended its Empire as king of the North.

“He entered countries, over flowed them and passed through—will enter the beautiful land (Palestine)–pitch his tents—and the beautiful holy mountain (Jerusalem) —and come to his end.” Rome came to its end in about 400 B.CDan 11:40-45. The Roman occupation allowed the death of Christ (Michael) on the torture stake in 33C.E. “The child was caught away to God and to the throne” Rev 12:5. The risen Christ, as Michael, “begin war in heaven” Satan lost sanctioned authority over the kingdoms of this world he was cast out down. Rev 12:7-12.

In Reply, the difficulty I see here is a failure to recognize the two distinct elements which would now compose the King of the North (the Roman Empire) a failure to differentiate between these two characters is what has led most bible scholars to misinterpret this prophecy.

Following the return of Emperor Aurelian to Rome after the defeat of the King of the South (Queen Zenobia), and after his death at the hands of his generals as recorded in Verses 25, 26, and 28 we now wish to take special note of Verse 27.

Both of these kings’ hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table; but it shall not prosper, for the end will still be at the appointed time.”

This is a rather strange verse to be inserted here, who are these two kings’ found sitting at the same table? Certainly it is not the King of the North and the King of the South who are found eating at the same table, there is no King of the South she was defeated, deposed, and taken captive by Aurelian (the nation itself still remains but its king or rulership has been removed now being governed by Rome). Once again the Lord carefully seals up and closes the prophecy by so arranging the order of things so as to conceal the truth from the worldly wise and to hide it from those for whom it was intended, until the due time for its disclosure, “the time of the end”. (Dan 12:4, 9, 10)

Verse 27 (as we had stated earlier) applies NOT to Rome and Egypt, but to two kings or powers IN the Roman empire–the Imperial power gradually dying AND the Clerical power slowly coming to life and ambition (2 Thess 2:7). Each sought to use the other for its own selfish ends, while denying such designs. It reads: “And the heart of the two kings shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper [then], because as yet the end is unto another time.” Or, to express the thought more plainly, a certain period of 1260 years had been appointed of God as the length of Papacy’s persecuting power; hence the union or league between the clergy and the civil power could “not prosper” then, because the 1260 years counted from that date would bring “the end” too soon; therefore it must be put off, or held back, and allowed to come about gradually by the decay of the empire in Italy. We see on the pages of ecclesiastical history the scheming of the Christian bishops for power in the Roman Empire; and evidently the emperors debated much whether it would not be to their advantage to recognize the new religion. Apparently Constantine merely acted out, at a riper time, what others had more or less thought of. But even Constantine was hindered by the temper of the people from accomplishing at once and as rapidly as was desired a union of the forces of church and state.” (C 34, 35)

It should be recalled in Chapter 7 that when Daniel first had his vision of the fourth beast “dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly” (which all readily concede is a picture of the forth universal empire, Pagan Rome) that he likewise noticed that it had ten horns upon its head and as he was considering these horns another horn, a “little horn” appeared coming up among them, before which three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots (Verses 7, 8) this “little horn” the angel latter explained to Daniel in Verses 24, 25 viz.

The ten horns are ten kings (powers or kingdoms) which shall arise from this kingdom (the forth universal empire) and another (horn, the “little horn”) shall arise after them; he shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings (or kingdoms). He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, and shall persecute (i.e. wear out) the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.

Time………………………………… 360 years

Time(s) plural………………………..  720 years

Half of a time …………………………180 years

                                                                               = 1260 years

Here is shown the two kings or powers IN the Roman Empire, the ecclesiastical or religious rulership (Papal Rome), one of which would in due time gain supremacy over the first, the civil or imperial rulership (Pagan Rome) i.e. the “fiery red dragon” of (Rev 12:3). 

“We likewise regard Verses 29 and 30 of Chapter 11 as a parenthesis, thrown in to conceal the meaning for a time by breaking the order of the narrative, and believe it to apply to a then far future collision between the representatives of the Roman Empire and Egypt. No further conflict between these would occur except one, and it would be just at “the time appointed”—the time of the end, 1799.” (C 35)

“The Pastor related Verse 31 to Verse 27. Verse 27 reads, “And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the [Time of the] end shall be at the time appointed [and shall not occur prematurely].” The two “kings” were clerical power (Papacy) and civil power (Rome). While ostensibly agreeing, they each had ulterior motives and were each suspicious about the other. Each power had its own interests at heart. Of the two powers, Papacy particularly prospered.

The Roman emperor Constantine, who had great power and authority, recognized that the Christian religion had many, many adherents, and the adherents had proved earlier, in the ten-year Diocletian persecution, that they did not fear death. Admiring the Christian dedication to suffer unto death, Constantine wanted to absorb this element into his empire and thus strengthen his civil power. However, being worldly, he could not distinguish between true Christians and nominal Christians. The name and the reputation of the martyrs extended to the nominal group, who did not merit or warrant them. Thus Constantine favored nominal Christianity, thinking it was the dedicated element.

In Aurelius’s day, but more importantly and later in Constantine’s day, the two powers were sitting “at one table,” each thinking of absorbing the other, Nominal Christianity felt that when religion converted the world, the Kingdom of God would be established (but it was the false Kingdom). Thus they wanted to have civil as well as clerical power. Ostensibly, the two powers were having a friendly dialog, but in reality each power was trying to use the other. Of the two kings, Papacy won out in 539 A.D. when the Emperor Justinian ascended the throne and acknowledged the bishop of Rome as the head of the Church. Justinian’s motive was to unify the eastern and western portions of the Roman Empire, thereby strengthening his own power. He was the civil head of the empire, and the bishop of Rome was the ecclesiastical head. However, the unification actually sounded the death knell for the Imperial (Civil) or Pagan Roman Empire, for afterwards it became the Holy Roman Empire. From then on, the pope was present for the crowning of emperors. To ignore him would have brought excommunication, an awesome power.

The Pastor connected Verse 31 with Verse 27, saying that the intervening verses were purposely placed there by the Holy Spirit as a temporary block to understanding. The usual interpretation (that is that which is followed by the majority of bible scholars) is that much of Chapter 11 was fulfilled prior to the Gospel Age. The Pastor reasoned differently from these in that he believed the chapter embraced both Old and New Testament time’s right down to relatively current history. If verse 31 is interpreted as occurring after verse 27, the chapter has a coherent flow.” (The Book of Daniel, Page 140, 141)

We will continue with this in our next post with the hope of addressing some of the specifics of The Sage’s remarks here.

 

 

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 2

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 2

Continued from our previous post.

The Sage states: The eleventh chapter is complicated as it becomes a back and forth confrontation between the two countries now designated as king of the North or king of the South. The last King of the North, Antiochus the 4th, did “not stand, for schemes” were “devised against him—those who eat his choice food will destroy him” Dan 11:25, 26. Both Syria and Palestine declined in power and both were eventually made province of Rome in 64-63 B.C.E.

In Reply, “The history which is told in few words in Dan 8:9, 10 is related with greater detail in Chapter 11:5-19. In this detailed account, Egypt is spoken of as the King of the South; while the Grecians, and afterward the Romans, their successors in power, or the new horn out of Greece, are designated the King of the North. Woven between these, linked now with the one and again with the other, is the history of God’s people–Daniel’s people–in whose ultimate blessing, as promised by God, Daniel trusted. It is tedious and unnecessary to trace this history in its many details of conflicts between Alexander’s generals and their successors, until Verse 17, which refers to Cleopatra, Queen of Egypt. And since all are agreed thus far, we need go no farther into the past.

At Verse 18 those who claim that Verse 31 applies to Antiochus Epiphanes continue to apply the prophecy to the little squabbles and battles between Seleucus, Philopater, Antiochus Epiphanes and Ptolemeus Philomater down to the end of the chapter–as the Jews were evidently accustomed to apply it. The Jews, continuing this interpretation into chapter twelve, would have strong grounds for expecting deliverance by Messiah speedily; and so we read that at the time of our Lord’s birth “all men were in expectation” of him, and through him, of their deliverance from the Roman yoke.

But (and this is the important thing) from Verse 18 onward, we who see the realabomination,” part company from them, and understand the prophecy merely to touch prominent characters down to Papacy; and then, touching and identifying it, to pass on to the end of its power to persecute, and to mark that date by a detailed account of one of the most noted characters of history–Napoleon Bonaparte.

But it may be asked, why this change of the particular method of the preceding verses, to touch only prominent features of history? We answer, that this has been part of God’s method of sealing and closing the prophecy. “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end.” (Dan 12:4) Besides, everything in prophecy was so arranged as not to stumble Israel at the first advent. Had the minutiae and detail of twenty centuries been spread out as is that prophecy contained in Verses 3 to 17 of this chapter, it would have been long, tedious and beyond comprehension; and it would have given the Jews and the early Christian church an idea of the length of time before the Kingdom of God should come; and this was not God’s purpose.

Proceeding, then, we understand Verses 17-19 to apply to the times and incidents in which Mark Antony and Cleopatra figured, when Antony fell, and Egypt (the “King of the South”) was swallowed up (becoming a province of) the Roman Empire (this took place under the rulership of Augustus Caesar in B.C. 30).” C 27-29

As for your statement in regards to Dan 11:25 you should be a little more careful of how you state the facts my sister so as to avoid any confusion, you state,

The last King of the North, Antiochus the 4th, did “not stand, for schemes” which were “devised against him—those who eat his choice food will destroy him.

Let us take another look at the quoted text,

“And he [Rome] will stir up his power and courage against the King of the South [Egypt], with a great army; and the King of the South shall be stirred up for the war with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand; for they will [treacherously] devise plans against him.”

From the foregoing it is obvious that it was NOT the King of the North but rather the King of the South who did “not stand, for the schemes (treacheries)” which were “devised against him”.

This king or ruler we understand was not Antiochus, but rather Queen Zenobia a descendant of Cleopatra. No hostilities had occurred between the two kingdoms until her reign in 269 A.D. Her reign was short; Aurelian, the Roman emperor at the time conquered her in A.D. 272. Aurelian then returned to Rome covered with honor and with great wealth as described in Verse 28. Although his army proved very successful in war nevertheless many were slain and in the end Aurelian himself was assassinated by his own generals, as foretold in the prophecy, “those who eat his choice food (eat at his table) will destroy himVerse 26. C 33, 34

I believe the problem here my sister is that you are relying to heavily upon the record of history and of the interpretation of these events as recorded by those who like the misguided Jews were unable to see the true picture and so through their ignorance (i.e. a lack of understanding) they were caused to stumbled at our Lord’s First Advent (misunderstanding the prophecies concerning him) even so the same is true today and for the very same reason (a lack understanding).

Here at the end of the age during our Lord’s Second Advent (his parousia) the professing church, i.e. the nominal spiritual house stumbles over some of the very same things, specifically in regards to the time, purpose, and manner of his presence, but even so it is as the Lord said it would be. (Isa 8:14)

Before we precede any further we should like for the sake of those unfamiliar with this prophecy to fill in the blanks so to speak returning to the Scriptures we skipped in our last post Verses 20-24.

Verse 20 There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; but within a few days he shall be destroyed, but not in anger or in battle.”

This verse we apply to Augustus Caesar, who was noted for his systematic collection of large taxes from all tributary nations, and whose exactions of taxes, in Judea and throughout the then civilized world, are noted in Scripture in connection with the birth of our Lord. (Luke 2:1) The statement, “Caesar Augustus sent forth a decree that the entire world should be taxed,” corresponds faithfully to the description–“There shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom.” This latter part of the description also fits exactly; for the period of Augustus Caesar’s reign is noted in history as the most glorious epoch of the great Roman Empire, and is called “the golden age of Rome.”

Another translation of Verse 20 reads: “There will stand up in his place one who will cause the exactor of taxes to pass through the glorious land of the kingdom.” This would seem to apply specially to Palestine, and would make this fit exactly to the record in Luke. But both applications are correct: It was the glorious time of the Roman Empire, and tax collectors were caused to pass through the land of Palestine– the glorious land of the kingdom. Furthermore, be it noted that Augustus Caesar was the first ruler to introduce to the world a systematized taxation (which was accomplished by means of a census).

We read further of this prominent ruler–“Within few days he shall be broken, neither in anger nor in battle.” Of Augustus Caesar it is recorded that he died a quiet death, while his predecessor and his seven successors in imperial power died violent deaths. His death was within a few years after he had reached the zenith of his power and had caused “the exactor of taxes to pass through the glorious land of the kingdom.” (C 29)

Verse 21And in his place shall arise a vile person, whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.”

This fitly describes Tiberius Caesar, the successor of Augustus: “There will stand up in his place a despicable person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom; but he shall come in peaceably and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.” Let us here note how the historic account of Tiberius agrees with the above by the prophet.

Says White: “Tiberius was fifty-six years old when he ascended the throne, professing great unwillingness to take upon him its important cares…All restraint being now removed; the tyrant gave loose reign to his cruel and sensual passions.”

Says Willard: “At first he dissembled and appeared to govern with moderation; but the mask soon dropped… The senate, to whom he transferred all the political rights of the people, had become degraded, and thus obsequiously sanctioned his acts and offered the incense of perpetual flattery to the man who filled their streets with blood. It was under the administration of this most debased of men, that our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified in Judea.

These pictures fit exactly the prophet’s description, and are further confirmed by the next verse.” (C 29, 30)

Verse 22With the powers of an overflow [flood] will they [all opposers] be swept away before him, and be broken; yea, also the Prince of the Covenant.

This last statement seems unmistakably to refer to our Lord Jesus, who, as above noted by the historian, was crucified under the administration of Tiberius by his representative, Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea, and by Roman soldiers.” (C 30)

Verse 23And after the league made with him [the Senate recognizing him as emperor] he shall work deceitfully; for he will come up and become strong with a small number of people.”

“Tiberius organized the Praetorian Guard, at first of 10,000, afterward doubled. This small number of people, as the emperor’s bodyguard, was continually at Rome and under his control. By it he overawed the people and the senate, abolished popular elections, assemblies, etc.”  (C 30)

Verse 24He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province, and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his father’s fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: and he shall think thoughts against the strongholds, even for a time.”

“It was the policy of both Augustus and his successors to preserve peacefully the control of the dominions previously gained, rather than to seek by conquest further additions; and, to secure this hold, it was their policy to divide the spoil by appointing local governors, with dignity and authority, whose tenure of office was made to depend upon the preservation of order in their provinces, their fealty to the Caesars and the prompt collection of taxes. They no longer, as at first, pursued the policy of sacking and plundering the world merely to carry the spoils as trophies to Rome. By this diplomatic policy, by thus “forecasting devices,” Rome now ruled the world more completely and with greater prestige than when her armies went hither and thither.” (C 30, 31)

“It should be recognized that while the prophecy has particularized, and in the cases of Augustus and Tiberius has almost individualized the account, yet this has been only a means to an end. The end to be accomplished is to mark the time of transfer of universal dominion, from Greece to Rome, from the four generals of Alexander the Great, representing four divisions of that empire (the “four horns” of the Grecian “goat” mentioned in Daniel 8:8), to the Roman Empire which was at that time and previously a part of Greece. These four generals who succeeded Alexander the Great are no less distinctly marked in history than in prophecy. (The division among these four is distinctly referred to in Dan 8:8 and 11:4, 5)

The historian says: “The [Grecian] empire was now divided into four parts, and one part assigned to each of the generals who formed the league. Ptolemy assumed the regal power in Egypt; Seleucus, in Syria and Upper Asia; Lysimachus, in Thrace and Asia Minor as far as Taurus; and Cassander took as his share Macedonia.”

In this division Italy belonged to Cassander’s department, which was the northern division, designated “King of the North,” while Egypt was the southern division, or “King of the South.” Gradually the Roman influence prevailed, and piece by piece the territory originally held by Seleucus, Lysimachus and Cassander was brought into subjection to Rome, which was part of the northern division, and left only Egypt, the southern division. This king of the south, Egypt, became subject to the power of the northern division, as above narrated, in the days of Cleopatra, Antony and Augustus Caesar, partly by the will of the father of Cleopatra, who dying while his children were young, left the kingdom under the protection of the Roman Senate, and partly by Mark Antony’s defeat. For a while, indeed, the “King of the South,” Egypt, was quite as powerful as the “King of the North,” Rome. Historians tell us that “it was the greatest mercantile nation then existing“; that it had “33,000 cities”; and that its annual revenue “amounted to 14,800 silver talents,” about $20,000,000.

Recognizing the sense and design of the prophecy, we should not expect detailed, personal accounts of the monarchs of these kingdoms, but by “King of the North” we should understand the Roman Empire’s representative, and by “King of the South” a representative of Egypt’s kingdom.” (C 31, 32)

We will continued with our next post.

 

 

 

 

Our Lord’s Birth?

Our Lord’s Birth?

Determining the Facts

Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolation’s are determined.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Dan 9:24-27

The Seventy Weeks of Daniel, or four hundred and ninety days, represent four hundred and ninety years, each SYMBOLIC day representing a year.

Note: The authority for using a day to represent a year comes from God himself; that is, He has made the application. (See Ezek 4:6 Compare with Num 14:34)

Likewise it should be noticed that the 69 symbolic weeks (“seven weeks and sixty-two weeks”), or 483 years, reach unto Messiah the Prince, and not to the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. The Hebrew word “Messiah” corresponding to the Greek word “Christ”, signifies, The Anointed, and is a title rather than a name.

Jesus was not the Anointed, the Messiah, the Christ, until after his baptism. Compare Acts 10:37, 38 and Matt 3:16. He was anointed with the Holy Spirit immediately on coming out of the water, (the symbolic representation of his surrendering or death of his personal will, for that of the Fathers). This was when he had attained manhood’s estate, which was at 30 years according to the Law, under which he was born, and to which he and every Jew was subject until he ended its dominion by fulfilling its conditions, i.e. “nailing it to his cross.”

Therefore the 69 weeks of this prophecy reach to the time of his baptism and anointing, from which time, and not before, he was the Messiah, the Christ, The Anointed. Hence the 69 weeks, or 483 years, ended in the autumn of A.D. 29. And there that portion of the prophecy was fulfilled which says:

From the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem (Dan 9:25), unto Messiah [the Anointed] the Prince, shall be seven weeks and threescore and two [69] weeks.” Beginning there we find the seventieth week fulfilled like the rest, a year for a day.

Most writers on this subject have commenced to count this period from the seventh year of Artaxerxes, when a commission was given to Ezra (Ezra 7: 7-14), supposed to be the enforcement of the decree of Cyrus. (Ezra 1:3; 5:13; 6:1-12) It should be noted, however, that Cyrus’ order was to build the house of the Lord, the Temple and its court wall. But there was another decree granted to Nehemiah in the 20th year of Artaxerxes to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, which at that time were still un-repaired. (Neh 2:3-8; 6:15; 7:1) And it is from this decree “to restore and build Jerusalem” that this prophecy of Daniel should be dated.

The entire account harmonizes with this, there being but one seeming objection, in a prophecy concerning it by Isaiah, which had said of Cyrus, not only, “He shall let go my captives,” but also, “He shall build my city.” (Isa 45:13) to this apparent objection we answer thus: The word here translated “city” is “ir”, and signifies a walled place. We understand the court walls of the Temple to be referred to here; and with this the facts above referred to agree. This same word “ir” is rendered “court” in 2 Kings 20:4.

The date of Nehemiah’s commission is ordinarily stated to be B.C. 445. But Dr. Hale’s work on chronology (pages 449 and 531) and Dr. Priestlie’s treatise on the “Harmony of the Evangelists” (pages 24-38) show this common view to be 9 years short, which would give B.C. 454 as the true date of Nehemiah’s commission; and with this date Daniel’s prediction (Chapter 9 Verse 25), concerning the decree to restore and build Jerusalem, agrees.

Since 69 weeks (“seven weeks and sixty-two weeks”), or 483 years, reach unto Messiah (the Anointed) the Prince, therefore from this period of 69 symbolic weeks, or 483 years, we deduct 454 years B.C. as the true date of the decree to restore and build Jerusalem; and the remainder 29 A.D. should be the year in which the Anointed (Messiah) would be manifested. This is in exact accord with the scriptures which testify that Jesus was baptized by John and received the anointing of the Spirit A.D. 29, about October 3rd, at which time he was 30 years of age, according to the true date of his birth.

Our Lord’s ministry covered 3 ½ years, ending with his crucifixion, at the time of the Passover, in the spring of A.D. 33. In this he exactly fulfilled the prophecy concerning the remaining or last week (seven years) of promised favor, which says:

AFTER (“seven weeks and sixty-two weeks”), sixty-nine weeks shall Messiah be cut off [“be slain”, Douay translation] but not for himself, in the midst of the week [the remaining 70th] he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.”

Now when Jesus began to be about thirty years of age he cometh” etc. John the Baptist was six months older than our Lord (Luke 1:26, 36); hence he was of age (thirty years, according to the Law–Num. 4:3; Luke 3:23, etc.) and began to preach six months before our Lord became of age and began his ministry.

The date of the beginning of John’s ministry is clearly stated to have been “the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,” the third emperor of Rome. (Luke 3:1) This is a clearly fixed date of which there can be no reasonable doubt.

Tiberius became emperor at the death of Augustus Caesar, in the year of Rome 767, which was the year A.D. 14. But those misled by the inaccurate statements of Josephus relative to Herod, and who place the birth of Jesus at B.C. 4, in order to harmonize with him, run across a difficulty in this clearly stated date given by Luke, and endeavor to make it also harmonize with their B.C. 4 theory.

To accomplish this end they make the claim that Tiberius began to exercise authority some two to four years before Augustus died, and before he was fully constituted emperor. They claim that possibly his rule might have been reckoned from that date. But such suppositions will be found baseless, by any who will investigate the matter on the pages of history.

It is true that Tiberius was exalted to a very important position by Augustus, but it was not four years before Augustus’ death, as their theory would demand, but ten years before, in A.D. 4, and the power then conferred upon him was only such as had been enjoyed by others before his day. It was in no sense of the word imperial power, and in no sense of the word can his “reign” be said to have begun there: he was only the heir-apparent. Even in the most exaggerated use of language, his “reigncould not be said to have commenced before Augustus’ death and his own investiture in office at the hands of the Roman Senate, A.D. 14.

History says, “The Emperor, whose declining age needed an associate, adopted Tiberius A.D. 4, renewing his tribunal power.” Article TIBERIUS, Rees’ Cyclopedia.

“He [Augustus] determined accordingly to devolve upon him [Tiberius] a share in the government, this formal investiture placed him on the same footing as that enjoyed by the veteran Agrippa during his later years, and there can be no doubt that it was universally regarded as an introduction to the first place in the empire, the program for the succession was significantly shadowed out: Tiberius had been ordered to assume his place at the head of the Senate, the people, and the army, the adoption, which took place at the same time, is dated June 27  (A.U.C. 757)–A.D. 4.” Merivale’s History of the Romans (Appleton’s), Vol. IV, pp. 220,221

Thus there is conclusive proof that the first year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar was not two to four years before Augustus died; and that the honors referred to as conferred during Augustus’ reign were conferred ten, and not four, years before Augustus’ death, and then were in no sense imperial honors.

Nowhere in histories, monuments, or coins of unquestioned authority, is there a trace of any other reckoning of the years of Tiberius Caesar, than from the date of Augustus on the 19th of August 14 A.D.

We may, therefore, consider the date of Luke 3:1 not merely the only one furnished in the New Testament, but an unequivocal one. There can be no doubt about it in the minds of any who have investigated it. Tiberius began to reign in A.D. 14.

The fifteenth year of his reign would therefore be the year A.D. 29, in which year, Luke states (3:1-3), John began his ministry. Since our Lord’s 30th birthday and the beginning of his ministry were in October, and since John’s birthday and the beginning of his ministry were just six months earlier, it follows that John began his ministry in the spring, about April first–just as soon as he was of age; for God’s plans are always carried out on exact time.

So, then, John was thirty years old in A.D. 29, about April first, consequently he was born B.C. 2, (For the benefit of those not much accustomed to calculating dates, we call attention to the fact that in the beginning of the year A.D. 29, only 28 full years had elapsed: the twenty-ninth was only beginning.) about April first.

And Jesus’ birth, six months later, must have been B.C. 2, about October first.

Again, there is clear, strong evidence that Jesus was crucified on Friday, April 3rd, A.D. 33. The fact that his crucifixion occurred at the close of the fourteenth day of the month Nissan, and that this date rarely falls on Friday, but did so in the year A.D. 33, substantiates that date so thoroughly that even Usher, who adopted B.C. 4 as the date of Jesus’ birth was forced to admit that his crucifixion was A.D. 33.

Compare Usher’s dates in the margin of the common version Bible at Luke 2:21 and Matt. 2:1 with those at Matthew 27 and Luke 23.

“The difference between lunar time, used by the Jews, and solar time, now in common use, would be a few days, so that we could not be certain that the exact day of our Lord’s birth might not be in September about the 27th, but October 1st, B.C. 2, is about correct. Nine months back of that date would bring us to about Christmas time, B.C. 3, as the date at which our Lord laid aside the glory which he had with the Father before the world was [made] and the taking of or changing to human nature began.  It seems probable that this was the origin of the celebration of December 25th as Christmas Day.

Some writers on Church history claim, even, that Christmas Day was originally celebrated as the date of the annunciation by Gabriel to the Virgin Mary. (Luke 1:26) Certain it is that a midwinter date does not well agree with the declaration of Scripture, that at the time of our Lord’s birth the shepherds were in the fields with their flocks.

Even though Christmas day is not the real anniversary of our Lord’s birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord’s birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day, which the majority celebrates –“Christmas day.”

 

 

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 1

Daniel Chapter 11, Part 1

“… For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done…Isa 46:9, 10

The Bible as a book is unique in that it contains literally hundreds of prophecies that span thousands of years and that have witnessed equally as many fulfillment’s. Other sources may venture opinions or suggest reasonable outcomes of events, but they amount to little more than hopes or outright guesses. Only the Bible, as the word of God, has proven consistently reliable in its predictions dealing with empires, nations, civilizations, and events, often very specific and detailed in their coverage.

It has been said that prophecy is greater than miracles in establishing faith in the Bible. A miracle that occurred, say 2,500 years ago, fades into the mist of time and cannot be confirmed today. But a prediction of antiquity, if preserved in writing, especially if appearing at odds with known facts at the time and therefore most improbable of ever occurring, yet fulfilled later as stated, amounts to very convincing evidence.

The credibility of the Bible as a whole is greatly enhanced when the accuracy of its prophetic forecasts is considered. Careful reflection shows that these predictions are of an order and detail that preclude the possibility of historical facts being mere wrested to fit the outcome. Numerous recent archaeological findings have further validated certain Bible prophecies by indirectly confirming their early origin. This has disarmed the critics who contended for later dates or had supposed they originated after the historical events they depicted had occurred. Now even skeptics are being forced to admit the accuracy of the Bible without being able to provide a satisfactory explanation!

As a sincere truth seeker considers the claims of the Bible as the word of God the overwhelming testimony of fulfilled prophecy encourages an overall faith that will accept the divine revelation in its entirety. This builds confidence in the yet to be fulfilled promises and a willingness to accept its broader teachings and precepts.” (Bible Prophecy—It’s Purpose in God’s Plan)

With the forgoing thoughts in mind we should now like to examine the message (prophecy) revealed to Daniel in the Eleventh Chapter.

“The message was true, but the appointed time (for its fulfillment) was long (that is from Daniel’s perspective).” Dan 10:1

What precisely was this thing which must wait to the “appointed time”?

The thing which awaited its appointed time was the “Time of the End”, but even more importantly to us it marked the time when the great prince would stand up, the time of our Lord’s parousia (presence).

A simple scan of the internet will reveal that there are many commentaries written on the Eleventh Chapter of Daniel both religious and secular each of which appears to devise a different series of events, characters and time line. Some of these imagine this to be a history of events from the time of Darius the Mede to the coming of the Messiah (the First Advent); while others believe it reaches to the Second Advent (we of course are of the latter).

Special Note: This subject was originally suggested by one of our present forum members (sage41) who likewise was a former member of the old or previous bible student forum, (who I believe formerly went by the title, The Sage, at least that’s how I have it in my notes). Sorry if I am mistaken my sister.

From here on out we should like to present the subject as it was originally presented on the old forum.

We should now like to take a look at some of the remarks made by The Sage understand our intention here is not to find fault, but rather to seek for truth, all of us, including myself. Questions like these are good for us as they furnish ample opportunities for us to return to the textbooks so to speak so that we might replenish our leaky vessels and reaffirm our faith.

The Sage states: Dan 10:21 concludes with the words: “no one is holding strongly with me in these things but Michael the prince of you people“. This was in the first year of Darius the Mede. Dan 11:1

In Reply, actually it was in the third year of Cyrus king of Persia that the angel Gabriel relayed these messages to Daniel, Dan 10:1 Cyrus’s reign followed that of Darius whose reigned only lasted for about two years before control of the kingdom shifted to the Persians, these are the two horns upon the ram mentioned in (Dan 8:4) both were high (great), but the second or higher one (the greater) came up last. This vision shows that there was a time in which the Medes, under Darius, were superior to the Persians, and then later the Persians, under Cyrus, took the ascendancy.

In Dan 11:1 Gabriel speaking confidentially to the Prophet was simply referring back in time to the first year of the reign of Darius the Mede in which he “stood up to confirm and strengthen him (i.e. Darius)” this after he had Daniel released from the lions’ den and greatly honored him. (The Book of Daniel, Page 89)

The Sage states: According to research from the Encyclopedia Britannica in reference to (Xerxes the forth king 486-465), who stood up “gained more riches than all of them—and roused up the empire against the realm of Greece“.  Dan 11:2

The world kingdoms had now become designated as of the North or of the South, in relation to their rulership, conquests, and dealing with Gods people. Syria was the dominant power for a time and was north of Palestine, and Egypt was south. Since Daniel’s subject is the Promised Land, the nation of Israel, it would be proper to address them in this way, since the dominant control would change from time to time.

In Reply, actually we might want to backtrack here a little so as to establish just how these two kingdoms came about. These kingdoms are the refuge of the once mighty Grecian Empire lead by Alexander the Great, the “mighty king” spoken of in Verse 3.

Then a mighty king shall arise, who shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”

“And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; but not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.” (Verse 4)

“Though Alexander conquered the world in the short period of thirteen years, the kingdom did not continue as one nation in his family after his death, but was divided by his four generals and broken into fragments as alluded to in Verse 4. Notice here the correspondence of this prophecy with that of Dan 8:3-9, 20-25. Here it is shown that out of one of the divisions of Alexander’s empire (compare Verses 8, 9 and 21) would come forth a “little horn” or power, which would become exceedingly great. This evidently refers to Rome (more specifically Papacy), which rose to influence upon the ruins of Greece. From being an insignificant subject whose ambassadors hastened to acknowledge the Grecian supremacy, and to become part of the empire at the feet of Alexander the Great, Rome rose gradually to supremacy.” (C27)

In the Book of Revelation the dragon (Pagan Rome, at first) is purely civil power. The Pastor gave the simple definition that the four beasts of Revelation represent four ecclesiastical governments, whereas in Daniel the four beasts picture four civil governments, but out of the civil came the little horn that predominated over the beasts of the earth to such an extent that the Book of Revelation ascribes a separate beast to Papacy.” The Book of Daniel, Page 90

“Alexander lived 32 years and 8 months; his reign covered a period of 12 years and 8 months. In the space of about 15 years after his death Alexander’s family and posterity were murdered, leaving none of his posterity to occupy the throne. History records that this was accomplished chiefly by Cassander, one of Alexander’s generals. In the course of a few years the prediction met its complete fulfillment, and the great empire over which he ruled was divided into four parts. Cassander reigned in Greece, Lysimachus in Thrace, Ptolemy in Egypt, and Seleucus in Syria.

For a considerable space the kingdoms of Egypt and Syria are alone mentioned in the prophecy of the angel. History shows that these two kingdoms were by far the greatest; and that at one time they obtained the mastery of the territory of the other two…The two, Syria and Egypt, continued to exist as distinct kingdoms even after the territories of the others were swallowed up by the Romans.” (Daniel the Beloved, Page 179)

“Because Judea lying between them was sometimes in the possession of the kings in Egypt, and sometimes of the kings of Syria; and it is the purpose of Holy Scripture to interweave only so much of foreign affairs, as hath some relation to the Jews; thus it is in respect of their situation (and position) to Judea that the kings of Egypt and Syria are called the kings of the south and the north.” (Page 180)

We will continue with our next post.

Zechariah’s Vision

Zechariah’s Vision

 “Vision of the Lampstand and Olive Trees”

The reason we bring up this particular lesson is due to a statement made by our friend Jacob (on the Bible Students Forum) where he states:

I notice you use reprint quotes to support your thoughts I use to do the same but try now to think out of the box and find the answers through my direct connect by the anointing with and from spirit and mind of Christ.”

You are not the first my friend to have attempted this method of study; however the flaw in this type of study is that each individual (professing to be led by the Holy Spirit) is left to his own mind, his own imaginings as to what the spirit is saying, thus two different individuals might interpret the scriptures completely different. Are we to believe the Holy Spirit gives out a different answer depending on the individual? Heaven forbid!

Others claim that their intention is simply to divest themselves of all outside materials less these inadvertently influence their thoughts, such claim they rely solely upon the Holy Spirit to teach them.

It is however important to note that the Holy Spirit does not teach us the truth, but rather guides us to the truth, this through such divine channels as the Lord is pleased to use. History itself has shown that the Spirit often uses human agencies in communicating the truth; therefore we would be negligent in our search if we did not heed the counsel of these agencies.

In Zech 4:1-14 a valuable lesson is taught in these regards. In the narrative Zechariah was given a vision, and the angel (messenger) asked him, “What do you see?

Zechariah answered saying, “I am looking, and there is a lamp-stand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.” Zechariah was at a miss as to what this vision represented, and sought answers.

Now in the account only part of what is seen has been explained, the rest is left up to us to decipher using what we have learned from our studies of God’s Word. God often does this; He would have us exercise our God giving ability to reason things out.

The two olive trees are said to be “dripping” oil (Verse 12). We understand that the “oilrepresents the Holy Spirit, the “spirit of truth” in other words the “Word of God.

Where does this oil come from? It comes from the two olive trees, which the angel refers to as the “two anointed ones” (Verse 14). The answer as to what or who is being referred to here is found in Rev 11:3-12, these two anointed ones are none other than the Lord’s “two witnesses”, also referred to as the “two olive trees”, the Old and the New Covenants or Testaments.

As for the lamp-stand all should agree that this represents the church as a whole from its first to its last, it’s every member complete, as is alluded to by our Lord in Rev 1:20, the only difference there being that the church was pictured as seven separate distinct lamp-stands, representing the seven stages or periods of the church throughout its history.

Now for the difficult part, we know that the Word of God, the “truth”, the “oil” comes to us through the “two anointed ones”, but what does the bowl represent, and what do the seven pipes below the bowl represent?

The answer should be obvious, God is the author of the divine plan as it is recorded in his word, (the two olive trees), but He has chosen Jesus Christ our Lord as the hub or central channel (the golden bowl) through which understanding and blessings (the oil) of this plan should flow to the Church, and subsequently to the world in general.

Now as the work of preparing the Church has been committed into the hands of our Lord, our Lord has seen fit to choose seven specificstars”, angels, messengers, channels (the seven pipes) to dispense the “oil” or truth to the body.

That is to say, “The seven pipes represent the seven channels of outpouring or distribution of the Holy Spirit from the head (Jesus) to the Church throughout the seven stages of its development, the seven stars or messengers to the Church being the agencies used to convey this supply of oil. All the anointing oil was poured upon, or emptied into, the bowl; from there the oil was distributed to the various branches.

Here then is an important lesson: Whereas the Bible contains all the necessary oil to supply a person’s every need, it becomes available only in proportion to his relationship with Christ (his identification as a member of Christ’s body, the Church, pictured by the candlestick) and to his harmony with the agencies or channels which God uses, His chosen messengers or Stars.”

Another very important observation which confirms this fact: “It is interesting to note that in all of the seven church messages the direction is “To the angel… write.” It is as if the angel himself, more than the church, needs to know these things. Historically the angels seem very much to have acted and preached based on the content of these messages. It is not, of course, that these messages are not to the churches themselves, but rather that they are to the churches THROUGH the angels. Without recognizing (identifying) the angel (the specific messenger chosen by the Lord to each stage of the Church, specifically appointed to relay the message, i.e. to give to the household “meat in due season”), and what he has been given in the way of understanding, the Church cannot hope to receive much of the message.”

If we chose to ignore God’s chosen channels, then we have cut ourselves off from receiving the “oil” the truth, which flows from the Father through his Son and then through the various human agencies the Lord has chosen.

I know that many are wary of human teachers, but the Lord has made used of them all throughout the age, it is for us to “test the spirits”, to “prove all things” to verify that the channel through which we are receiving our nourishment is of the Lord and not of man.

To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word there is no truth in themIsa 8:20

“A Dark Night Approaches”, Part 3

“A Dark Night Approaches”, Part 3

The Great Time of Trouble

Habakkuk’s Prophecy Continued

Hab 1:9

“They all come for violence;
their faces are set like the east wind.
They gather captives like sand.”

The New Living Translation states it thusly,

On they come, all bent on violence. Their hordes advance like a desert wind, sweeping captives ahead of them like sand.”

“Their faces will be set in opposition to the east.” [The east is the direction of the suns rising, and here represents the dawn of the Millennial Day. Hence, the language here indicates that though these shall cause a measure of judgment to come upon evil institutions, yet they will not be in harmony with the true light, but in opposition to it; their mission is violence.] “And they gather the bounden ones as the sand.” R 622

Hab 1:10

“They scoff at kings,
And princes are scorned by them.
They deride every stronghold,
For they heap up earthen mounds and seize it.”

“The Lord’s Great Army will pull down the governments, and this verse shows a real arrogance and disdain for law and authority. “They shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them.”

It shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones and the kings of the earth.” Isa 24:21

The Lord’s Great Army will not be part of the establishment either religiously or politically. Rather, they will be an outside, rebellious, disenchanted group. Moreover, they are described in Scripture as God’s battle ax or hammer, for His providence’s will favor circumstances for the development of this element for the purpose of pulling down (destroying) the established order (Isa. 10:15; Jer. 50:23). Understand God will not sanction nor approve of this class in either morals or character, but He will approve of the destructive work which they will accomplish.

They shall heap dust (earthen mounds), and take it” as they “deride every strong hold [or fortress].” This portion of Verse 10 refers to tactics used in olden times. No matter how strong the fortress wall, the enemy (in this case the Lord’s Great Army) will devise a way to override it. Nothing will stop them. The “dust” alludes to making a ramp to get over the wall. Sometimes battering rams were used in the past—or a siege using siege towers or fire. The Lord’s Great Army will be like locusts, climbing over everything in their way. Nothing will deter their onward march. The word “take”, “seize” means “capture.” The Lord’s Great Army will capture every stronghold.”

“They run like mighty men, they climb the wall like men of war; every one marches in formation, and they do not break ranks. They do not push one another; every one marches in his own column. Though they lunge between the weapons, they are not cut down (not halted by losses). They run to and fro in the city, they run on the wall; they climb into the houses, they enter at the windows like a thief.” Joel 2: 7-9

Hab 1:11

“Then his mind changes, and he transgresses;
He commits offense,
Ascribing this power to his god.”

Then they sweep past like the wind and go on– guilty people, whose own strength is their god.” NIV

“Then [by reason of their success] doth their spirit become arrogant and they are surpassingly proud, and offend, imputing this their power unto their God (the God of War of Might). Not realizing that they have been used as the Lord’s great army to overthrow oppression and to bring down the proud and to thresh the mountains (kingdoms), they shall boast in themselves of the victory of Liberalism (freedom from authority).”

Hab 1:12

“Are You not from everlasting,
O Lord my God, my Holy One?
We shall not die.
O Lord, You have appointed them for judgment;
O Rock, You have marked them for correction.”

Verse 12, a paragraph break, starts to express thoughts of the Great Company, a righteous class who will be puzzled over the events transpiring. These thoughts continue through Verse 17. In seeing the Lord’s Great Army, an irreligious and powerful force, tear down government and religious institutions (the old order), the Great Company will have mixed experiences: disappointment and chagrin followed by strengthening, then questioning, again strengthening, questioning, etc.

We shall not die [as new creatures].” The Great Company from a present-truth background, as well as the Great Company from Babylon, will feel that there is still hope— that they can get life as spirit beings and not go into extinction (Second Death). The words “we shall not die” thus indicate a strengthening experience.

“O LORD, thou hast ordained them [the Lord’s Great Army] for judgment [to do a destroying work, to bring down the kingdoms of this world].” The Great Company will then understand that the trouble is a part of God’s plan.

Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies to deliver them to the slaughter.” Isa 34:1, 2

“O mighty God, thou hast appointed them to correct nations.” The King James margin has “O Rock.” A rock is a symbol of stability. Accordingly, the Great Company will realize that God’s omnipotence is not at all threatened by the Time of Trouble, that the lawlessness has been providentially overruled for correction and judgment.” [This is the confidence of the saints, as here expressed by the prophet.]

Hab 1:13

You are of purer eyes than to behold evil,
And cannot look on wickedness.
Why do You look on those who deal treacherously,
And hold Your tongue when the wicked devours
A person more righteous than he?”

Verse 13 expresses questions asked all down the age, but conditions will be exacerbated and intensified in the future. It is one thing to see the Lord’s Great Army pull down that which is old and effete and unjust and corrupt, but it is another matter to see this lawless element encroach upon a “righteous” class.”

Hab 1:14

“Why do You make men like fish of the sea,
Like creeping things that have no ruler over them?”

“The Great Company class continues to question. Unsuspecting fish (people) are taken suddenly in the net by the Lord’s Great Army. When the Great Company sees noble people and items being taken from them, they will ask, “Why doesn’t God stop the trouble?” (Eventually, the Great Company will get the oil of understanding and zeal, as shown in the Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins in Matt 25.)

That have no ruler over them.” In the anarchy the people will crave leadership and order and instruction and help, but there will be no one. These conditions will eventually help the Great Company to wash their robes (Rev. 7:14). Instead of inspecting others, they will begin to be introspective. They will have to search their own hearts.”

Hab 1:15

“They take up all of them with a hook,
They catch them in their net,
And gather them in their dragnet.
Therefore they rejoice and are glad.”

“The Lord’s Great Army, the ones casting in the net, will rejoice and be glad. They will have no moral restraints and will go after all, good and bad, and will be happy with their seeming success in exploiting others and with force, (might) being their god.”

Hab 1:16

“Therefore they sacrifice to their net,
And burn incense to their dragnet;
Because by them their share is sumptuous
And their food plentiful.”

“The Lord’s Great Army will worship “their net,” their weapons, their own powers, as the reason for their success. As anarchy interrupts the food supplies, the Lord’s Great Army will enrich themselves with the spoils of others—worldwide. They will march through the lands, taking what they want. Before them is the Garden of Eden; behind them is a desolate wilderness of looting, burning, and extinction. Remember, there will be no police or fire departments at this time.”

The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” Isa. 24:3

Hab 1:17

“Shall they therefore empty their net,
And continue to slay nations without pity?”

Verse 17 is a rhetorical question. The answer is obvious: No! The Lord’s Great Army will be insatiable; they will know no end. As soon as they empty the net, they will cast it in again and again and again for more and more spoil. This element has existed all down the age, taking advantage of situations until they are stopped, but here the condition is so prevalent that only divine power will be able to stop them.”

And so it will.

“The nations (the unrestrained anarchist masses, the sea class) raged, the kingdoms (world governments) were moved (out of place, i.e. over-turned, then); He uttered His voice [“BE STILL, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations I will be exalted in the earth!”], the earth melted (the present social order of things was dissolved).” Psa 46:6, 10; Compare 2 Pet 3:10

Broken, battered, humbled, the old order of things having come to an end mankind will finally be ready for the kingdom of righteousness, the new heavens (spiritual rulership) and new earth (a new society) wherein dwells righteousness.


Excerpts taken from “The Book of Habakkuk” Brother Frank Shallieu